tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post345431044676357858..comments2024-03-11T09:39:22.914+00:00Comments on Ex Umbris Et Imaginibus: Irish Bishop May Face Criminal Charges For Preaching The GospelFather Directorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17910574198138234820noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-91534708776591302712012-02-05T12:07:40.131+00:002012-02-05T12:07:40.131+00:00I would like to agree with anonymous of the 30 Jan...I would like to agree with anonymous of the 30 Jan .Colgan wants comments in fact he needs them , Margaret Thatcher once talked of the " publicity being the oxygen" that feeds this type of nonsense . Calling Colgan names is not the answer let us imitate Our Lord and bless him " for he knows not what he does" .<br />As our society becomes more secular and simultaneously more anti social though that does not mean one is the consequence of the other ; society is extracting and trying to use biblical and religious laws to create a secular 10 commandments .There is evidence that we are entering a dark period ; wars ,marital break down , homelessness , hopelessness, violent crime,abuse of people, of drugs and alcohol , financial collapse ,attacks on religion particularly Catholics generals selfishness etc . We need the " faith of our fathers " more than ever. <br />Colgans solution would create more .Mahon O'Riardonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-4052583247272752102012-01-30T21:23:00.406+00:002012-01-30T21:23:00.406+00:00Mr Colgan is a freak plain and simple and should b...Mr Colgan is a freak plain and simple and should be ashamed of himself for uttering such nonsence and to think such a person represented us in the Dial is sad. No wonder the country is in such a mess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-30043671011516621672012-01-30T17:06:52.499+00:002012-01-30T17:06:52.499+00:00Best not even reporting this, Father, as that is w...Best not even reporting this, Father, as that is what he wants. Having made a complaint the Guards are forced to record it and send a note to DPP (saying this is a crock of ...). Colgan is just playing the game and we shouldn't help him with more publicity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-38403317874576149182012-01-30T16:30:46.842+00:002012-01-30T16:30:46.842+00:00Very sad sad sad. I thought the Gospel was suppos...Very sad sad sad. I thought the Gospel was supposed to challenge us, convict us and console us. What would Jesus do and I believe exactly what Bishop Boyce is doing. I tend to think like Martin this is a practice run. Does the Bible not also tell us all (Baptised) "Woe to us if we don't preach the gospel". Can't remember the scripture - but it's there. <br />Sandra DohertySandra Dohertynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-82065185032587077162012-01-30T14:42:09.980+00:002012-01-30T14:42:09.980+00:00This is just a practise run for the future. This i...This is just a practise run for the future. This is just a daft joke, but the time is coming when any priest or bishop who preaches the true faith will be punished by the full force of the law. So then we must be zealous and manful in our preaching of the Gospel, and, like St. Stephen, go out in ecstasy even as we pray for our persecutors as they crush us. But for now, it is enough to laugh at them and to manfully continue on our way, preaching the true faith and to hell with the consequences. We proceed with reckless Godly abandon and zeal.Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-64376234791991676412012-01-30T13:38:13.594+00:002012-01-30T13:38:13.594+00:00Thanks, Lynda.Thanks, Lynda.Annenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-87355887706336493302012-01-30T10:25:57.745+00:002012-01-30T10:25:57.745+00:00Mr Colgan has probably gone to the media, as he wa...Mr Colgan has probably gone to the media, as he was getting no where, through the official channels. His complaint is complete and utter nonsense. <br /><br />But isn't it great that Mr Colgan goes to Knock, (strange behaviour for a humanist!, each to their own I suppose), and I must commend him for reading Bishop Boyce's sermon so thoroughly. If only more people would listen to, and read the homilies one of our better bishops, the Irish Church would be in a better state. <br /><br />Keep up the good work Bishop Boyce!<br /><br />Mr Colgan, get a life, and stop inciting hatred!Carolinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15644555994442358033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-17393988585400487442012-01-30T04:40:17.750+00:002012-01-30T04:40:17.750+00:00If it is true that the Gardai referred, or gave co...If it is true that the Gardai referred, or gave consideration to referring the case to the DPP, it ought only to have been based on the facts or alleged facts alone (i.e. what Bishop Boyce said in his homily - which was likely independently verifiable) and not on any opinion about, or interpretation of, those words by the complainant. On that basis, the Gardai appear to have (erroneously) determined that the words actually uttered (and as uttered) by the Bishop could possibly satisfy the requirements of the offence of incitement to hatred. Once this has been done by the Gardai, it is out of the complainant's hands, and he has no further responsibility for progressing the case. As the Gardai have, as it were, taken responsibility for the progression of the case against the Bishop, it could not then consider whether the complaint was made maliciously, without accepting that it had erred in referring or considering referral of the file to the DPP. What is the likelihood of that, one wonders? It is also probable that this complaint was considered at a higher level within the force than most because of the relative novelty of the offence itself, the relative novelty of prosecutions or convictions under the legislation, the high public profile and religious status of the actor involved, the likelihood of a great amount of Media attention, as well as the societal implications.Lyndanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-7831126253410398442012-01-30T02:44:24.541+00:002012-01-30T02:44:24.541+00:00Thanks Lynda. Here's a question: can one make...Thanks Lynda. Here's a question: can one make a formal complaint against Colgan citing the incitement to hatred act - have him prosecuted for this malicious and bigoted action?Annenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-9314867896884261942012-01-30T02:11:18.859+00:002012-01-30T02:11:18.859+00:00There is, objectively, nothing in the sermon which...There is, objectively, nothing in the sermon which could amount to "incitement to hatred", and it could not reasonably be argued that that was Bishop Boyce's intention. To find otherwise would be patently irrational and necessarily raise the question of prejudice or malice. In my opinion, the complaint clearly is without foundation and reason then requires that the motivation for such a complaint being made is looked out. The complaint could not reasonably be taken to be anything other than vexatious - in fact, absurd. That should have been obvious to the Gardai and it ought not to have been referred to the DPP. Presuming Mr Coughlan is at least of normal intelligence, it can properly be construed that he knew that his complaint was unfounded. Why did he attend a Catholic Mass on private property? Not only ought not the Gardai have referred the case but malicious intent on the complainant's part ought to have been investigated by them. A malicious complaint is an offence. There would also appear to be ample motivation given background information relating to the complainant. One has to question the competence or bona fides of the Gardai in referring the book to the DPP. Ironic, given the offence invoked, that irrational hatred of Catholicism appears to be the only rational explanation for the complaint. Perhaps the Gardai involved put aside the facts, the law and logic for some very good reason, not readily apparent?!Lyndanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-53475226758738467082012-01-30T00:38:20.381+00:002012-01-30T00:38:20.381+00:00Yes, it may seem silly to be covering Mr Colgan...Yes, it may seem silly to be covering Mr Colgan's ridiculous compliant, but what is even sillier is the fact that the Gardai have taken it seriously instead of sending him packing, and they are now compiling a file for the DPP who will consider whether the Bishop should be prosecuted or not. Mr Colgan is a bigot and he is looking for attention, but it is scandalous and a waste of police time for the Gardai to be encouraging him in his petty hate campaign against Christianity.Annenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-61813388777395132702012-01-29T22:40:09.697+00:002012-01-29T22:40:09.697+00:00Yes, it's Mr Colgan who's doing the hating...Yes, it's Mr Colgan who's doing the hating. It might be a bit silly to be giving his complaint so much attention. He is one individual who took a notion, and suddenly there is a whole controversy on his terms.Fr Jeremiahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-37361132371222805002012-01-29T21:40:08.242+00:002012-01-29T21:40:08.242+00:00I concur with Martin, going to KNOCK to a CATHOLIC...I concur with Martin, going to KNOCK to a CATHOLIC church, gets upset at hearing pro-Catholic reinforcing sermon... they guy must be deluded.Joe, Irish Ex-pathttp://www.joerogers.infonoreply@blogger.com