tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post2906732167294808840..comments2024-03-11T09:39:22.914+00:00Comments on Ex Umbris Et Imaginibus: Spinning A CocoonFather Directorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17910574198138234820noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-90432425724823968742012-05-13T21:35:18.922+01:002012-05-13T21:35:18.922+01:00I actually wrote a comment on their website appeal...I actually wrote a comment on their website appealing for them to be obedient to ths Church. It was posted but then someone deleted it. I seems that the only 'dialogue' they want to hear is the sound of their own voices, and their own'magisterium' as described so elequently in the comment above.<br />I commend them to Our Blessed Lady.maryclarenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-64177485788267259082012-05-11T11:18:16.681+01:002012-05-11T11:18:16.681+01:00Thank you, Father Hogan for that great post. It pu...Thank you, Father Hogan for that great post. It put into words what a lot of us think. <br /><br />“It is an act of charity to cry out against the wolf when he is amongst the sheep, wherever he is.”- St Francis de Sales, Introduction to the Devout Life, Part 3 chp. 29<br /><br />Is it too much to hope that the shepherds will at long last wake from their slumber? Is it too much to hope that those charged with leading, teaching and sanctifying the Catholic faithful will henceforth act with determination and resolution in discharging their sacred duty? Is it too much that the faithful will henceforth be given bread instead of stones? Is it too much to hope that Rome will step in and do what our own bishops should have done long ago and take decisive and effective action against the Association of Catholic Priests in Ireland (ACP)?<br /> <br />What the Church, here and elsewhere, is really faced with in these times is the culmination and deadly results of the heresy of Modernism, described by Pope Saint Pius X as the “synthesis of all heresies” in his prophetic Encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis, 95 years ago.<br /><br />One could be forgiven for thinking that the ACP took their objectives from the errors condemned in this magnificent example of Papal leadership. Read the following if you think I am being harsh:<br /><br /> Pascendi Dominici Gregis warns that Modernists “disdain all authority and brook no restraint: and relying upon a false conscience, they attempt to ascribe to love of truth which in reality is the result of pride and obstinacy.” (n. 3)<br /><br />The ACP invokes the “primacy of the individual conscience.”<br /><br />Pascendi Dominici Gregis warns of Modernist belief that “ecclesiastical government requires to be reformed in all its branches, but especially in its disciplinary and dogmatic parts” (n. 38) and that the “ecclesiastical magisterium must be subordinate” to “individual consciences” (n. 25).<br /><br />The ACP calls for “all believers to be treated as equal”, as well as for a “redesigning of Ministry in the Church” and a “restructuring of the governing system of the Church”.<br /><br />Pascendi Dominici Gregis warns that Modernists “lay down the general principle that in a living religion everything is subject to change” (n. 26) and for them “there is nothing immutable in the Church” (n. 28).<br /> <br />The ACP’s objectives include “a re-evaluation of Catholic sexual teaching.”<br /><br />Pascendi Dominici Gregis warns that Modernists “actually admit…that all religions are true” (n. 14)<br /><br />The ACP claims that “full acceptance that the Spirit speaks through all people” is needed so that “the breadth of the Spirit will flow more freely.”<br /><br />Professor Dietrich von Hildebrand, who was described by Venerable Pope Pius XII as the twentieth century Doctor of the Church put it rather well in his book The Devastated Vineyard: “the drivel of heretics, both priests and laymen, is tolerated; the bishops tacitly acquiesce to the poisoning of the faithful. But they want to silence the faithful believers who take up the cause of orthodoxy.”Leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04092014104048367016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-18740962607869747182012-05-10T12:25:13.779+01:002012-05-10T12:25:13.779+01:00My point is we should be slow to ascribe motivatio...My point is we should be slow to ascribe motivations to people we don't know based on a few stated positions of others. There were a thousand people there. Some of them are just fed up with Irish bishops. Some tired of the abuse crisis. Some can't understand why we can't have women priests (and they've never been told well enough why we can't). But I dislike two things in the discussion - throwing in lines that they are all pro-abortion when I doubt that is the case, and saying they have some secret aim to destroy the Church. They are mostly confused and misdirected and need a bit of help and support. Like lost sheep we need to lead them home, not set the dogs on them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-21918840226754682202012-05-10T10:31:04.345+01:002012-05-10T10:31:04.345+01:00Reasonable comment. However, the point is who is t...Reasonable comment. However, the point is who is the final arbiter on these questions. The vast majority of attendees at that meeting were of the opinion that the Church's teaching's can be changed if it is pressurised/bullied enough ; with sufficient media support. They need to realise that this is not the case. Certain issues are settled, further talk is futile. For example the Anglican Church will not facilitate their clergy who are oppossed to homophilia, priestesses, & who wish to accept Papal authority. These clergy have to leave, frequently with their family/parish in tow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-43711518431146501942012-05-09T23:32:29.368+01:002012-05-09T23:32:29.368+01:00Were you actually at the event, Father, or did you...Were you actually at the event, Father, or did you have a spy? I am a little uncomfortable with the way people on the conservative side caricature the liberals - it's unjust to say they all want to destroy the Church and that they are all pro-abortion. Some of them question celibacy but not ordination of women. Some support contraception but not abortion. There are degrees, and like or not we have to find ways to talk together or the Church will truly be dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-44614436940688393542012-05-08T23:56:33.782+01:002012-05-08T23:56:33.782+01:00fr where at the event yesterday you appear to be v...fr where at the event yesterday you appear to be very informed about what was discussed.i note that papal nunico sent his prayers and blessings according to vsrious media out lets today.brian leddynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-31533312812435153182012-05-08T23:47:21.658+01:002012-05-08T23:47:21.658+01:00Interesting Jack in the Box. I have put a copy of ...Interesting Jack in the Box. I have put a copy of the text of the "censored" post over here (http://thefraternityofstgenesius.blogspot.com/2012/05/clogher-acp-meeting.html), just in case it should disappear.Carolinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15644555994442358033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-26975806979345430442012-05-08T19:33:47.101+01:002012-05-08T19:33:47.101+01:00Looking at that picture, all I see are angry old p...Looking at that picture, all I see are angry old people with folded arms. No mention of holiness then, or the need for saints? I think not. I think the most bizarre aspect is that these folks think they can somehow get Eternal Rome to change Dogma. That is baffling.Martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-31297370763084271352012-05-08T19:18:09.815+01:002012-05-08T19:18:09.815+01:00Seems all is not well in the ACP - the Clogher pri...Seems all is not well in the ACP - the Clogher priests are not happy. This report was posted on the ACP site on Monday, but had been removed by Tuesday. Fortunately, I was able to source the page using Google know-how! Enjoy!<br /><br />http://www.associationofcatholicpriests.ie/2012/05/clogher-diocesan-acp-meeting/Jack in a boxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-496103327369055047.post-55563311885650446182012-05-08T18:01:21.637+01:002012-05-08T18:01:21.637+01:00Unfortunately, their true aim is the destruction o...Unfortunately, their true aim is the destruction of the Church. Otherwise, they would not have continued to pretend to be part of the Church for the past 50 years. They are not content with the damage they have wreaked upon the Church thus far - which is extensive. No, they want its complete annihilation. It is clearly the Devil's work that they are about. They must obey the Church or be put out, where they cannot destroy the faith and morality of so many. It is a terrible scandal that so many heretical and immoral priests, religious and laity have been allowed to remain in situ and corrupt the faithful.Lyndanoreply@blogger.com